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That Black Theatre Podcast: New Series

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The National Theatre's new podcast, That Black Theatre Podcast, will look at Black British theatre-making past, present and future. It launches on 28 September 2020 and the first series will have 12 weekly episodes released on Mondays.


PhD Student Nadine Deller, our host, will delve into the Black Plays Archive, to celebrate the leaders of Black British theatre in the context of the socio-political events that have influenced their work. She'll speak in conversation with her sister, Nadia, and guests.

Listen now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google Podcasts, and many more.

Beginning with the earliest black theatre practitioners Una Marson and Errol John, the podcast will discuss the works of these trailblazers and the writers who followed, Mustapha Matura and Alfred Fagon, who wrote against the backdrop of the Civil Rights and Black Power movements both in Britain and America.  

The barriers faced by black women playwrights will be discussed with the leading academic, Lynette Goddard. The plays of Valerie Mason-John and Jackie Kay will be looked at in relation to the under representation of black queer and lesbian experiences on stage.  

Nadine Deller will conclude the series with an episode dedicated to Winsome Pinnock, conversations about debbie tucker green and Roy Williams, as well as discussions with lead theatre makers both looking to the past of Black British theatre and to the future, including Jasmine Lee-JonesMojisola Adebayo and Ola Ince.  

Speaking about the podcast Nadine Deller said, “This podcast started as a way to share what I have learnt about black British theatre with as many people as I could. I never learnt about black theatre in school, so this podcast is a celebration of black British theatre and the stories I have found in the archive. Through a mix of history, interviews, and casual discussion, I hope to show that black theatre is for everyone.” 

That Black Theatre Podcast will be available for free via Apple podcasts, Spotify, Google podcasts, and all major podcasts platform.

The podcast is a partnership between National TheatreThe Royal Central School for Speech and Drama, University of London and the AHRC London Arts and Humanities Partnership.  

Nadine Deller is a PhD candidate undertaking a Collaborative Doctoral Award between the Royal Central School of Speech and Drama and the National Theatre. Her thesis, ‘Deviancy and Potential in the Heterotopias of Black British Women’s Theatre’, looks to shed light on the position and work of black women playwrights in the National Theatre’s Black Plays Archive. Nadine also writes for leading film magazine, Sight & Sound.